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In preparation of the Indonesian state visit of our Dutch King and Queen,  organised a special seminar at De Brakke Grond in Amsterdam: ''. The seminar focused on the themes 'Art and culture', 'Circular economy', 'From the past to the future' and 'Knowledge diplomacy'. Several experts discussed the versatile relationship between Indonesia and the Netherlands and presented their visions within the framework of the above mentioned themes.


During the seminar, What if Lab was included in the theme 'Art and culture'. What if Lab coordinator  interviewed Indonesian designer  about the value of co-creation in regards to the project 'What if Lab: the sustainable society'. Together with Dutch designer , Vivian developed the project '' for What if Lab.

The seminar, moderated by Robin de Vogel and Remco Vermeulen, was concluded with a musical performance by jazz collective .